An exhibition is not just a space for an artwork but also for everyone participating in that space





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An exhibition is not just a space for an artwork but also for everyone participating in that space


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Artworks in the whitecube conform the the current social order





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Artworks in the whitecube conform the the current social order


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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?






then how comes that the whitecube tends to be rather exclusive and often seems to serve a certain demographic of people ?






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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?


I really donโ€™t understand what your trying to speak to.


i suppose paper airplanes hold a lot of meaning to some ๐Ÿ™ƒ


Im trying to speak to you as an artist. When showing a work in a certain space, does the work then conform with the ideology or order that place might hold? Leaving the whitecubed art gallery aside what about instagram for example? What does it mean for you to show your work here ? What do you think does the context of the platform add to your work ?


well to be honest social media has leveled the playing field for artists. We no longer need to be a โ€œsmash hitโ€ or have to deal with โ€œgate keepersโ€ to get our work seen. Social media has allowed anyone to put their work out there and gain a following. And the greatest part is you can speak to the smallest community and still be a success. For more I formation on what Iโ€™m talking about look up Seth Godin.






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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?







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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?


white cube youโ€™re thinking ๐Ÿค” itโ€™s the white dove ๐Ÿ•Š






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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?







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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?


what are you talking about






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Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?


didn't think of it that way just like putting them on Instagram in a pattern together






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?





I think time will be able to answer.






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


inside out


Thank you for your reply. Could you elaborate a bit more ?






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


Be cooler than them, create your own scene.






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


There is a need for new narratives and aesthetics in art!






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


my love if you canโ€™t beat them... ๐Ÿ˜‚ Thatโ€™s actually why I canโ€™t stand the rest of this artists work, this is the one piece that still reaches out to me, itโ€™s poignancy and impact make snobbery etc a triviality โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


The whitecube is a blackbox






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


by just being oneself ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป


is that really enough ?






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


let me think about that for a while and get back to you.. I havenโ€™t had coffee yet!! โ˜บ๏ธ


would love to hear your thoughts






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


in the same way we overcome everyday life


which is ?






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


Perhaps see a different type of art then what youโ€™ve been seeing. Because there is something for every taste. Please keep looking. Art is as truly, sincerely #diverse a movement than anything on this planet. Thank you.






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


you just can come here... ๐Ÿ˜Š we open for everyone..






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


doing art and working on art with gratitude ๐Ÿ˜Š


gratitude for what ?


for doing art and autorise ourselfs To do it


does one needs to get authorised to do art ?


lot of people don't have time or think it is for an elite yes, so I think that if more people are taking time and pleasure to connect with themselves and do art, it can be a good way to peace






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


trust me you canโ€™t ... what you need is to find the right community who will support you through your journey and right market .. who will believe in you work ... keep creating โค๏ธ






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


you can focus on the ugliness if you so choose but there are always flowers for those who want to see them.. be the change you want to see in the world โœŒ๐Ÿฝ






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


people should use art however they want


But what if it feels good for me but bad for others ?


Others is a huge number. There's billions of people out there. Don't focus or even 200 opinions. Different strokes for diff folks






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


just hang on the wall and pull the pin?






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


by supporting the artists whose art you enjoy. I think Instagram actually has democratized art. It is now more accessible, more widely available. The "art scene" is a market for collectors who view art as an appreciable asset held primarily for investment. The art that trades in that market is generally (a) limited in quantity; (b) internationally recognizable; (c) not necessarily aesthetically pleasing; and (d) not necessarily indicative of talent.


Thank you for your reply. I also think that platforms liek social media democratized art art and the internet in general (still) offers a great tool in doing so.


Regrading some of your points


(c) and (d)


is it a good thing? It is to those who think the art world was undemocratic, a view you expressed earlier. More people are seeing art. I think that's a good thing.


I think that social media tends to dilute artists rights by allowing derivative works to spread endlessly. But if your art is getting noticed, that is generally a good thing. As to talent and aesthetics, I think art that fails to please an audience and fails to demonstrate talent is not worthy of attention or praise.


I agree that social media can dilute artists right and is especially problematic when it comes to compensation of an artist for his/her work. I do however also have another thought. With our media surroundings getting dominated by ads, bots and influencers curated by agorithms couldn't easily and widely spread art be an important opposing force ?






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


no idea pal )'






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


Aesthetic questions also come with ethical ones






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


we gotta rise up and take back whatโ€™s ours . โš”๏ธ







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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


what is the problem?


Don't you see these described traits as problematic ?


no, I don't. That's why I ask you...


Doesn't the artscene then by being as described above underline a certain social order that lacks equality and fairness ? Or asked differently do you think the artscene shouldn't become more open and inclusive ? Why or why not ?


in advance sorry for my bad English. I confess, I haven't asked myself many questions when I posted this picture. I just wanted to highlight the thickness of the chassis, and show my painting from another angle of view. In any case, thank for your opinion.






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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


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The artscene is elitist, snobbish and undemocratic. how can we overcome this ?


what do you mean? ๐Ÿ˜‚






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The whitecube is a blackbox





Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?






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The whitecube is a blackbox


The black box is a white cube ๐Ÿ˜Ž






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The whitecube is a blackbox







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The whitecube is a blackbox







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The whitecube is a standard applicable to some but not to all





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To what works do you think its applicable ?


maybe it is so abstract of expressionism






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The whitecube is a standard applicable to some but not to all


thank you, for your opinion ๐Ÿ”ฅ






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The whitecube is a standard applicable to some but not to all


indeed! Join us!






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The whitecube is a standard applicable to some but not to all





whats your take on the whitecube as an exhibition context ?


are you invited me for one exhibition dear?


no I asked you what do you think of the whitecube (clean white walls, ceiling light, no windows) as a way to exhibit artworks


transparent windows.. with glasses or not ๐Ÿ˜






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The whitecube is a standard applicable to some but not to all


what do you mean by this?


Im talking about the whitecube as kind of room in the gallery context. White clean walls, ceiling lights and usually now windows. So exactly like the gallery you posted. This kind of room is the common standard in Galleries isnt it? Now What Im interested in is if this kind of standard works with every artwork or only to a certain kind. What do you think ?


to me it gives a neutral unbiased place to view work. People can make more of a connection to it without the environment distracting from the work






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The whitecube is a standard applicable to some but not to all


The whitecube is a blackbox






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The whitecube is beyond the present reality





The internet can be a tool to overcome the elitist and undemocratic boundaries of the art scene






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The whitecube is beyond the present reality


what you say Hunni?


I got this statement after talking with someone about the idea that the whitecube is isolated from the present reality in a " limbolike status "as Brian O'Doherty called it in his book about the ideology of the whitecube. The idea is that the whitecubed exibition context is made so that every influence from outside gets eliminated. What do you think though ?


Iโ€™m not sure ๐Ÿค” Hunni... the Gallery for me is nothing more than a Shop Window for the Artist ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐ŸŽค to set up Stall... The Gallery has Probably โ€œgot up itselfโ€ and is full of โ€œSelf Importanceโ€ ... Call me Old Fashioned but I just want to be put in touch with the kind of Patrons who will Nurture and Look After Me...White Cube Galleries are a New Fangled Thing and May NOT exist for long in Their Atmosphere of Elitism... the Artist ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐ŸŽค is doin it for themselves Baby ๐Ÿผ






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The whitecube is beyond the present reality


Sorry but I don't know which part do you mean


no worries the comment wasn't a critic of your work in any kind. Its a statement about the exhibition standard of the 'whitecube' meaning clean white walls, no windows, ceiling light. The usual kind of room you find in many if not most art museums. What do you think about this kind of room ?


like it. It's just like the simplest thing of art.๐Ÿ™Œ @unspookedart






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality





donโ€™tknow Either for you, sorry if you are bored or not...






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


yeah ๐Ÿ˜ฌ


is that a good or bad thing in your opinion ?


I think I all options are full of possibilities ๐Ÿฅ‚






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


The whitecube is isolated from the present reality






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


The artist has, just as any other person responsibilities she/he can choose to take on or not






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


donโ€™tknow Either for you, sorry if you are bored or not...






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


ใ‚ชใƒฌใ‚‚ใใ†ๆ€ใ†ใ€‚ ใ›ใฃใ‹ใใ ใ‹ใ‚‰2ๆžš็›ฎใจใฎๆฏ”่ผƒใ‚‚ใ—ใจใ“ใ†ใœใ€‚ใ‚ฐใƒชใƒƒใƒ‰ๅˆใ‚ใ›ใŸใ‚“ใ ใœใ€‚






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


Does the whitecube and the artworks in it conform to the current social order ?






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


yeah ๐Ÿ˜ฌ


is that a good or bad thing in your opinion ?


I think I all options are full of possibilities ๐Ÿฅ‚






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


The whitecube is isolated from the present reality






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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


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The whitecube is isolated from the present reality


The artist has, just as any other person responsibilities she/he can choose to take on or not






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?





I do not understand the question ... ? maybe because I'm not English .... English is not my native language....






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?


Apart from Instagram, I never exhibit my work. I love making art.


what do you like about instagram ?


It's my only way of sharing my work.






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?


it would be interesting to have one whitecube supported by several straight lines






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?


ใ€€Brian O'Doherty


Yes I read his book on the whitecubes ideology. I just looked up the last part where he concludes with Mondrians 'Salon de Madame' as a possible alternative to the whitecube. He quotes Mondrian






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?


what does that mean?


what like an art gallery? honestly this is such a pointless thing to write.


I was talking about the whitecube as the standard seen in most art galleries and museums. White clean walls, ceiling lighting, no windows. Everything clean and sterile. Im intersted if there are any alternatives to that kind of room since its the dominating way to exhibit in the art world.






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?


have a great day, don't get grumpy if art doesn't match with your ideas๐Ÿ‘






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What are the alternatives to the exhibition context of the whitecube?


Can you describe what you're talking about?


Since the whitecube (clean white walls, celing lights, no windows) is the standard for exhibitiong art. What do you think could be an alternative to that ?


Since exhibition space should be composed so that it is not harmful to the audience, I would like to start by focusing on the audience's viewing as an alternative to the whitecube exhibition. Because it is not just a space for an artist but a place for everyone participating in the space, it is not wrong to oppose and deny the exhibition like any rule, but it is a difference of viewpoint.


Unfortunately, I am not a planner who makes up the exhibition, but a nameless painter, so it is hard to make a clear alternative right away. Have a nice day!






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